Note that the site is in archived, read-only mode. You can browse and read, but posting is disabled.
Welcome to Anarchy101 Q&A, where you can ask questions and receive answers about anarchism, from anarchists.

Note that the site is in archived, read-only mode. You can browse and read, but posting is disabled.

Categories

+4 votes
The reason I ask is because I just watched a video of a panel discussion held at the New School in New York in which the host/moderator prefaced his introduction by commenting that OWS was started by a group of anarchists. Yet I hear from other anarchists all the time that OWC is mostly a liberal leftist phenomenon.

Appreciate anyone able to shed light on this.
by

1 Answer

+3 votes
Occupy Wall Street was started by Adbusters. They could be called leftist, but are off the traditional political map in my opinion. They're inspired by anti-capitalist, anarchist, and Situationist ideas, but in a simple-minded way that is reminiscent of the limits of the anti-globalization movement--critique of corporations but not capitalism, of the collusion between corporate and state power rather than their very existence, etc.

Anonymous signed on quickly and was a pretty significant force in hyping it. They cannot be placed on a political spectrum and are not an anarchist group.

The host could have been referring to the Void Network (an anarchist group) who got behind OWS before it started, or to how David Graeber and others supposedly started the general assembly at OWS.

In any case, anarchists have been involved with Occupy* since the beginning and have related in different ways (if at all) in different places. The movement incorporates certain anarchist principles to various extents--the leaderless movement, general assemblies, non-endorsement of political parties, no demands, direct action, systemic/revolutionary analysis, etc. Some elements that have been hard for the movement to shake are clearly anti-anarchist--majority decision-making, 99% unity mentality, hesitancy toward autonomous action, appeals to the law, morality, etc, ideological pacifism, love of the police, movement policing & snitching, etc.

I think it's an error in judgment to call Occupy* a liberal or leftist movement. It is first and foremost populist. It's not aligned with any political party or wing. It's vague enough to include people from all over (and off) the political spectrum. It hasn't (yet) looked towards elections or even demands to the government, at least not in a way that a significant chunk of the movement can get behind.

There is a lot of analysis of Occupy* that's been authored by anarchists, and some of it analyses the movement as populist mass movement rather than as "liberal."
by (20.5k points)
The west coast university occupations of 2009 were probably what first inspired OWS (which has indeed become popularized), no?
I think what first or most immediately inspired OWS were the plaza occupations--Tahrir > Syntagma > Democracia Real Ya.
I believe anarchists contributed a lot to the initial internet presence, along with Anonymous and misc. others. Not sure how much that contributes to "starting" it in a general sense.
Thanks for you reply. It helped clarify some things. I would only add that OWS does in fact have demands. You can read them on the OWS websites. Newspapers routinely report their demands (in disparaging tones of course).
What do you mean by majority decision making? Consensus process was the only thing I ever saw at OWS. I think when irreconcilable blocks happened it came to a super-majority vote (90%).

...but even so, historically, to my understanding, anarchists have used majority decision-making. Are you saying it's not anarchist in principle?
Well, supermajority is a form of majority decision making, and in some occupations they used 80% or 50%+1. Also I consider consensus to be the most extreme form of majority decision-making (100%) since it is still based in the funny belief that the more people support something, the better it must be. The antithesis would be based around different values entirely.

It's true that many anarchists use majority decision making and even embrace it in principle. But I don't consider it anarchist in principle, no.
...