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Money, even when made with "precious" metals, may likely be the most lack of mental processes ever conceived by humanity.  But through misinformation humanity continues to be it's slave and make it their god.

Through logic the hold that money has on humanity could be broken.  Most first consider that money is actually needed, then proceed to demonstrate this by proving its value for trade and possible regulation of distribution.  Rather we should examine what is the value of money as an actual contributor to the processes of production and why we insist on our senseless dependency as a society on a system so unstable and so totally disconnection from the well-being of humanity and life on this planet.

What if humanity examined what money actually "does (active contribution" versus what harm it actually causes?
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The short answer is absolutely not! No proof of a concept will ever change the ordering of this world. No logical argument will ever make all the depersonalized or self-interested forces and organizations in this world cease their activity, even when it is brutal. No singular conceptualization of a thing will ever permeate the entire face of the earth resulting in a harmonious decision to reorder all social life. We will never arrive at a place where everyone agrees on the beauty of an idea and then decides to put it into action. That is the stuff of utopias.

Critiques of money and how it realigns social relations are enormously plentiful. I first encountered these arguments in the marxist and anarchist worlds among situationist writings (Guy Debord) and egoists writings (Wolfi Landstreicher) respectively. The concern that numerous continental philosophers (e.g. Gilles Deleuze) pay to exploring notions of qualitative vs. quantitative thought and conceptualizations is an attempt to address and challenge the deadening, mechanical, capitalistic, identitarian and reductionist effects that economic or quantitative thought produces. It is not for the absence of these ideas that money continues to distort life and the world, it is because ideas apply no force in the world simply by being known. All your pretty thoughts will crumble when the force of the state or capital successfully put you in their cross-hairs.

Even among status quo oriented economists or governmental bodies the notion that money affects the world (you said "distorts reality") is entirely common. Enormous effort and coercion is applied to exactly these aims. There are government bodies the world over tasked with exactly this endeavor.

You keep coming back to the notion that it is merely a matter of ideas: misinformation enslaves us; through logic we could break our domination; what if we examined what money does. This seems entirely naive. This type of thinking seems to cover a desire for some utopian transition away from capitalism that entails no struggle or conflict except in the realm of ideas (where yours are prefigured to win - as per the phrasing of your question). Moral suasion has never had and will never have a chance against well structured, systematized, and bureaucratized power. This conceptualization of the way systems and forces order and affect the world seems never to address the messy, divergent and violent world I live in. It seems like fantasy to me.

Additionally, you use "we" and "humanity" in really presumptuous ways and you use "well-being" as a magic code word which makes me highly skeptical of the proximity of our desires or dreams. Your use of "we" is suspicious and does not include me or the people I know in any meaningful way. Your thoughtless use of "humanity" as something that totalizes everyone's needs and coordinates our interests into one single set brings me to the cusp of revulsion, as does the way this abstraction becomes a force that impels me to action along the lines you desire (this universal "well-being" and the actions that must be taken to ensure it).
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In addition,it is not money alone that "twists the value of human co-operation".It is the aquisition of any goods and materials that one can store or eventually hoard. Abraham had more sheep ,cattle &goats than Lot so that made him richer.It is not money that twists,it is the "love of money" or if you will greed. We as humans are capable of storing,hoarding stealing, anything,we are equally capable of sharing and?or givingit away.
 Money may not be needed but say food  or shelter might be,one need to get something one doesn't have,the barter system arises if I can not get someone to simply give me stuff.So is there a large difference in a person going into Home Depot to buy a drill,or trading my apples for your drill and am I a capitalist if I keep my apples and have more than you?
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