What original anarchists and modern anarchists find chaos compatible with anarchy or anarchism?

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I'm well aware of the difference between communal anarchism with underlying principals of self-order being bound by an ungovernable contract of free will within the limits of equality. I know the egoists were more centered on the free will of the individual.

But i'm curious about specific egoist or modern post-left/insecrrectionary anarchists who elaborate on chaos and its relation with anarchism.

The rejection of governmental or authoritative "chaos" has been mentioned  a few times by social and individual anarchist authors. The mentioning of the term anarchist order by produn does not stop the notion of the order of chaos from making sense or for it to be considered to be compatible with anarchism as well.  But little is known about their views of pure non-governmental chaos or egoist-nihilism being maintained through chaos as part or compatible with of any branch of anarchism more so the egoist and individualist kinds.

Some seem to view chaos as a means to take over society for anarchism. But this again has not been greatly explained in detail or commonly supported by all. Rather just a means of idealistic revolutionary destruction or protest destruction through moments of chaos.

 What are some anarchists that embrace chaos or even mention it as compatible or synonymous with anarchy or anarchism:

Aside of Hakim Bey there has been:

Peter Kropotkin, Words of a Rebel, 1885 (Look at Bottom on link):

http://anarchyandchaos.wordpress.com/chaos/

Does Stirner, ever do so?

Anyone else?

Answer 1

I'm not sure whether Stirner actually had a say about chaos being essential to anarchism, though we can say that it can be implied from his writings.

And, no. When post-left anarchists talk about "chaos" they don't take it as a means for anarchism. Quite the contrary, seems Hakim disapproved of "revolution" and supported instead "poetic terrorism", or some underground samizdat that will support anarchism through art.

When post-left anarchists stress "chaos", they mean the lack of any human essence and morality that ought to guide us. They start with the existentialist tenet: "existence precedes essence". And so we are "doomed to be free", hence, without morality/essence, we are chaotic. So, I guess, we can say that Stirner somehow sympathized with this thought. He even discussed about "insurrection" of one's being.

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Just curious what are some books that support these ideas that predate hakim bey?

 That book, TAZm did not exist in the 1970's i assume. It would be good to know other book titles, groups, or anarchists who supported what bey and stirner were describing.

What are some stirner books or old texts that elaborate on what you described.

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shothit: the implication of "chaos" in stirners writing is mainly to be found in "The Ego and His Own", because the writing as a whole is basically a manifesto, and he writes that he doesn't give a shit if his writing is the basis of a war, because he is declaring an absolute destruction of absolutism and idealism in his writings. Both individualists and their moralist opponents paint individual desire as something beautiful and chaotic...but more or less stirner himself is talking about mass delusion, and its nihilistic destruction is not something that has to be bloody or chaotic...

this isn't much of an answer, but this is how it feels to me...ask me more questions if your confused, but your confusion would be cleared up (or not) by doing a more indepth study of stirnerists, stirner and all the hubbud surrounding it as i've done :-)

the problem i have with the word chaos is all the chaos when trying to define it....lol

Answer 2

I don't think that Paul Shepard identified as anarchist, but I find his anticiv perspective to be relevant.  I see his interpretation of the feral animals and plants as chaos.  A random series of coincidences, free from being categorized, that life is born from. This is a place that anarchy lives.  Chaos as irrational, unscientific, but mostly just the way that the uncivilized is.