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what is logic?

+2 votes
in relation to anarchy?
asked Jun 5, 2012 by brodawg (1,040 points)

3 Answers

+2 votes
logic does not per se have any particular relation to anarchy. logic is the study of the structure of arguments, ie, of reasoning itself. logic has taken various forms since it first (as far as we know) began to be codified in greece several thousand years ago. central to the idea of logic is understanding what is a 'valid' argument: an argument which is *properly constructed*. that is, it proceeds using correct reasoning from certain premises to a conclusion which cannot be incorrect if the premises are true. examples of arguments which are invalid - logical fallacies - would include such as the appeal to authority ('it is true because so and so says it is true') or the appeal to force or argumentum ad baculum ('it is true because otherwise i will beat you up'). an invalid argument can start with true premises and attempt to portray a false conclusion as true; it can also just as well start with false premises. it can also have true premises and a true conclusion BUT this conclusion cannot logically follow from the premises. a valid argument with true premises cannot have a false conclusion. logical arguments, in their most elementary forms, are built from 'atomic' statements, truth-functional connectives (this AND that, this OR that, IF this THEN that) and/or quantifiers (all x are y, z is x, therefore z is y). etc... use fucking google if you want to know what logic is. then tell me what you find logical in anarchism today.
answered Jun 10, 2012 by rswain (460 points)
i expect i agree with you, except for the historic relationship that logic and ration (inextricably linked in my head) have had with classical anarchism, and with some branches of anarchists today (it wasn't that long ago that someone was saying that anarchism is rational-on infoshop, i believe). the idea that the way to organize society (jargon alert!) is rationally, and that it is rational to do away with governments and bosses, and that anarchists have properly understood how the argument against society is to be understood... these are all pretty common (amongst anarchists as well as other political groups).
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It is the form of exegesis preferred by those crafty descendents of the Pythagorean brotherhood.

The relation(R) of Logic(x) on anarchy(y), or xRy, is a binary relation and likely not coreflexive.
answered Jun 10, 2012 by Broner (1,060 points)
It can also be thought of as a surjective mapping relation if we are talking the set of logical propositions(here be paradoxes, beware!) and anarchy as a situation(or topological space) in that we could use logical propositions to describe it.
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Logic remains logic in anarchy.

Logic can eventually overcome misinformation and traditional concepts.  So logic could present anarchy as an approach to an alternative society based on logic and function rather than on the current traditions, supporting propaganda, and the control and manipulation of the population by the self selected few.

Yet there must be an objectivity to logic.  Logic allows us to arrive at conclusions strictly by observation and examination.  Then all reasonable critical thoughts should be welcomed and considered apart from debate but to test or correct the logic.  

Logic goes beyond theory.  Theory is more of an opinionated supposition.  Theory becomes more of a matter of argument than of practical solutions.   Logic looks for answers and enhances function.
answered Jun 13, 2012 by afunctionalworld (2,030 points)
edited Jun 14, 2012 by afunctionalworld
Two rednecks, Bubba and Cooter, decided that they weren't going anywhere in life and thought they should go to college to get ahead. Bubba goes in first, and the professor advises him to take math, history, and logic.

"What's logic?" asked Bubba.

The professor answered, "Let me give you an example. Do you own a weed

"I sure do," answered the redneck.

"Then I can assume, using logic, that you have a yard," replied the

"That's real good," the redneck responded in awe.

The professor continued, "Logic also tells me that since you have a yard,"
you also have a house."

Impressed, the redneck shouted, "GAWL-LEEE!!"

"And since you own a house, and a house is tough to take care of by
yourself, logic dictates that you have a wife."

"Betty Mae! This is incredible!" (Bubba is obviously catching on.)

"Finally, since you have a wife, logically I can assume that you are
heterosexual rather than homosexual," said the professor.

"You're absolutely right! Why that's the most fascinatin' thang I ever
of. I can't wait to take this here logic class."

Bubba, proud of the new world opening up to him, walked back into the
hallway where Cooter is still waiting.

"So what classes are ya takin?" he asks.

"Math, history, and logic," replies Bubba.

"What in tarnation is logic?"

"Let me give you an example. Do ya own a weed-eater?"


"You're a queer, ain't ya?
Is this the only reason why you created a profile on Anarchy101, Rusty ?