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Can technology serve the manifestation of anarchy

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As technology progresses the inevitable is going to be full automation. Within my lifetime we'll see more and more jobs gone, probably most jobs really. What will this mean for everybody, how will people earn a living if there are no jobs?

To me, this is an opportunity to turn to anarchy and to further the development of a technological international community of non-coercive co-operation.

Giving over all manual jobs to technology will mean we can do what we've never been able to do before, completely relate and completely allow ourselves to grown mentally, emotionally, and creatively.

It seems to me complete technological use will be the final nail in the coffin of dictatorship in every form as companies will cease to exist as no one will be able to buy anything as no one will be earning. Just as no one will have the funds to start up companies to compete with the big businesses which have a stranglehold on the marketplace.

The logical step is for everyone to take control of technology to serve our needs as a whole rather than the needs of a few. Technology can be used to free us completely, because so long as we have to work, we're enslaved by those who claim to own and those willing to enforce that falsehood.

Full automation of food production, etc, means we can make a smooth and bloodless transition from ownership by the few to communal usage for the benefit of all. The latter obviously involving far less waste than current methods as individual ownership of things like cars, etc, would become unnecessary. Even food production could be more local and more varied than the present companies permit.
asked Dec 7, 2017 by curious bystander (520 points)

infatuation with technology is like all infatuations - it makes one blind to anything but what they want to see, when it comes to the target of that infatuation. i can appreciate an optimistic perspective at times, but optimism without a dose of practical analysis/observation is just another pair of rose-colored glasses.

btw, just to be clear, i am no primitivist, although i do lean strongly in the direction of anti-civ (those are not the same thing, though they share a good amount of critique). however, primitivists have some of the best critique of technology, so i'd strongly suggest reading up on that (if, that is, you have any interest in critique of something you seem to already have ... strong ideas [trying to be considerate here]... around). theanarchistlibrary.org has tons of related stuff, do a search on "technology" there, you should find some meaty stuff to chew on.

if you seriously think technology will free humans from "work", you have not been paying attention for the past 40 years. i have heard of many people complaining about losing their jobs overseas (where the work is done by other humans, at lower pay); i personally have never heard a single person complain of losing their job to technology (i'm not saying it hasn't happened, just that i've never come across it). its kind of analogous to the promise (decades ago) of computers leading to the "paperless office". what a fucking joke!

from an @-perspective, a major problem with technology is the level of destruction, imposition and oppression necessary to create it. for some people, that destruction may be worth it. but for others, myself included, it is not. and the big issue for me is that i had no choice in the creation of this technological world, yet i am infinitely impacted by it, mostly (though not entirely) in ways i despise. the technological world was imposed upon me, and it sounds like you would choose to do that ever more. not my idea of anarchy.

so, when you talk (in the other thread) about everybody getting together, everybody agreeing on one (anarchic!?!?) way of living, can you see how that could never possibly work with so many divergent perspectives, desires, priorities, etc? if you want to create a technological "utopia", i'd have no problem with that as long as it did not impact my life. unfortunately, there is no major technology i'm aware of that doesn't impact the lives of pretty much every living thing on the planet (by its creation if not its usage). some see that impact as positive, some see it as negative (and of course neither/both as well). how will you reconcile that in your one-world-of-anarchy?

Where is all this energy supposed to come from to maintain automation? It's never been explained to me on where the fuel to produce the energy for automation is going to come from without invoking something that sounds like an episode of ST:TNG.

Farms and food production is almost entirely dependent on oil, like 80-90% is dependent on it, and a lot of of it is used. In the past 40+ years there has been very little "innovation" to move away from oil, but instead depending on it more and more. For instance, iirc farms and food production relies heavily on all the different kinds of farm vehicles and crops dusters, pesticides, herbicides, fertilizer, transportation (airplanes , trucks, boats), more transportation, machinery, refrigeration , harvesting, additives and preservatives , containers (plastics, boxes, cans)...etc, are all oil based. Keep in mind, the earth is warming and food production is just pumping more and more toxic chemicals into the air, land, and water. Global warming is causing pretty big issues already with agriculture and it's most likely will get worse and worse. There's not much oil left and it's be pumped out more and each year. Food production automation would be just as destructive, if not more, and insanely wasteful, and definitely oppressive for the people close by to that mess. And that's just a small example of very destructive force that people insist is progress. I was talking about that with my dad-a-roo a few weeks ago.

I don't understand how more technological "progress" could lead to people becoming more free? Afaict, this technological "progress" is just going to continue to enslave people is more and more ways than it already does. It's going to continue to screw and oppress folk in other areas that have to deal with the byproducts or side effects of all this "progress." It's just going to keep on destroying other folks land while the west exploits their resources so "we can have nice things." Just look at how much destruction it has caused in the past few hundred years in the name of "progress." The energy has to come from somewhere and wherever that area is, the people there are going to bear the burnt of it against their wishes

I suppose there's a tiny chance that technology could lead to anarchy when or if it collapses upon it's self as it's not sustainable, but I doubt that too.

wall-o-text over :)

Now i gonna type technology into the anarchist library. I don't think I ever searched that on there before. Hmm...
"It seems to me complete technological use will be the final nail in the coffin of dictatorship..."

complete horseshit coming from the tech-wiz department of dumbassery. I don't think google is cute and playful, they are creepy authoritarians in every sense of the word. I don't want to work hacking their robots anymore than I want to scrub the toilets of 711, and technology still is so buggy and dyfunctional it makes everyone mad.

One of the interesting technological debates coming out of mainstream politics is whether AI will enslave the human race in the future; no, technology has an incredibly long way before it becomes unstoppable and autonomous. Civilization will always be mastered by really pompous humans, and everyone will have their special place cleaning the toilets, scooping the horseshit, and getting mad at computers because they keep fucking up while they are trying to help the customers.
I like the speculative tone of your inquiry and I like to think about the possible futures ahead. A few things I've read have given me some clues that you might want to check out: The Cybernetic Hypothesis which is in the anarchist library talks about cybernetic communism in which ownership and profits become less of a priority than management and control. There might be more free stuff in the future because it will keep people docile and be cheaper for authority than maintaining austerity. Also here is a short article I found which has some interesting insights:


See you in the future.
technology is definetly interesting, and humans have practically always been "cyborgs". I just think that modern computers and technology are waaaay too complicated for a society to communally control unless everyone agreed to it all at once. Take the linux vs. windows debate. Linux is a somewhat successful attempt to create a non-hierarchical community of computer nerds. If you can get yourself involved in using the programs or programming, you can have an input as to how linux functions, and you can make and run the programs yourself. However, most people who like today's extremely wide variety of free computer programs will feel the need to also run some version of windows because it's practically compatible with all of them. I really like Windows 10, after i installed the updates it's super fucking fast, very rarely do i get a "program will not respond" warning. This could all change with some systematically fatal bug in a windows update...and well, if that happens, what else can i do other than wait for the next update from microsofts technocratic elite?

i feel like i have a somewhat corny point of view, society could just scale back technology a little tiny bit...and that would lead to all sorts of autonomous explorations and innovations. Robots, to perfrom basic functions like farming, are not my idea of examples of this. What is the farming elite going to do when the robots have some malfunction that the people who made them don't even understand? Someone once told me that scientists have been able to manufacture sheets of beef though...i wonder where this experiment will go in the future...

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