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Why can't we abolish corporations and the military without abolishing all government?

+1 vote
asked Aug 22 by anonymous
well this question is pretty hard to answer straight up.  I think all those terms are pretty nebulous; like what makes a government a government, or a corporation a corporation?  what makes a military a military and not a militia, or a private security force?  it's all justs names.

corporations and governments are organisations of control, and you can't have control without force, at least not much control, and not fur very long.  states rely on their militaries and police forces to maintain control, and corporations mostly rely on states.  to get rid of the apparatus of control leaves open a vacuum for new control structures, be they big or small, new government or just people controlling their lives more.  mostly the former, at least it seems to me.

without a military, or their counterpart the police, a government is just a bunch of nutters writing legalese orders to no one in particular.  without a government a corporation is either a state in itself, adopting it's only control force to fill is needs, or a bunch of nutters with lots of zeros telling no one in particular what to do.
what exactly would be the point? to maintain government bureaucracy, laws, taxes, elections, etc? what part of government would you desire to maintain, and why?

personally, if i could wave a magic wand and make select tentacles of the spectacle disappear, i'd start with the compulsory school and money systems....but of course i can't do that....i don't even know how to abolish them in the relationships of the few people i know well....

and to follow up on funky's comments of what and why.....

how would one even go about "abolishing the military and corporations"?

1 Answer

+2 votes
One doesn't seize power without force, in most cases (waiting for the Gandhi reference...) So if one assumes maintaining a government, probably a military is required. That's gross. Not to say that martial formations might be needed at times, but a standing military class of specialists seems to carry the seeds of hierarchy and domination pretty inherently, at least to me.

As to corporations, the Bolsheviks started with the goal of eliminating private ownership, and ended up with state capitalism. Was it better? Was it worse? Depends on your perspective, but it was definitely shitty.

The state is amorphous. It isn't just politicians and government, it is the apparatus that enable and facilitate large scale social organization, and this includes corporations and the military, but also could include unions who play by the rules of the state and corporations (and if they don't, get crushed by the military).

It all goes hand in hand. Anarchists are against all of it.
answered Aug 22 by ingrate (21,900 points)
What do you mean by state capitalism? Like would you say it's something distinct from state socialism or the same thing?
"What do you mean by state capitalism?"

the soviet union was a capitalist entity internationally, (ie, they did business with countries they wanted to remain impartial to and not form an alliance with) but within its own borders was the typical totalitarian nightmare where people lived in fear of a dictator.

Overall the problem with the question is you can't really separate all the entities the asker posed, which is what ingrate was getting at in the end. They all require a systematic use of force and/or coercion. There are "governments" and counsels that don't have corporations and militaries, such as those meeting groups that activists use, but they aren't really the same thing as a nation state or a government.

Ultimately I think bureaucracy is dysfunctional within itself, so i can't really image a lasting, productive one that doesn't use force.
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