unquestioned patriotism is not just a right wing thing. i would say most ideologues are unquestioningly patriotic to their ideologies.
as to xenophobia and racism, i would treat that as i would any form of bigotry. when someone acts in ways that are oppressive and authoritarian towards another, i think they should be dealt with directly, by those being treated that way (along with their allies). how they deal is up to them. that is based on action/behavior. ideas - and words - are a different thing to me. i find it a bit hypocritical - and a slippery slope - when lefties act to prevent righties from talking (or vice versa). obviously people have very different ideas about what it means to be "free".
I think nihilist meant they're chauvinists. Chauvinism seems more prevalent among right-wingers than left-wingers or people that could care less. I gotta say, groups like the alt-right to a degree monopolized off the talking points of occupy wall street and tweaking them slightly by blaming some ethnic/racial group, usually the Jews. They've been pretty successful doing that throughout the years.Do they even care about ethics in video game journalism anymore???I personally will continue to ignore them for reasons that may or may not be obvious.
Personally, if I engage with these sorts of folks, I tend to challenge their assumptions where they come up vis a vis conversation. I challenge assumptions, ask questions that allow me to delve deeper, and state my perspective with as much candor or guard seems appropriate to the situation.There are times that is not appropriate, and dealing with racism, patriotism, and xenophobia needs action, a quick perusal of IGD or Anews will give ideas of what this might look like in different situations. I am wary of antifa as a primary focus for anarchists, and I live in a particular place where being actively anti-fascist does feel like something that anarchists need to actively engage in, even if I find no personal drive to engage in street fighting, etc. Living in a place that has been identified as a future aryan homeland creates particular... challenges?... opportunities? IDK. It is hard to dismiss the actions of antifa living where I do, but I am wary.(i might amend this answer, as I am not totally happy with it and suspect I am not answering your question, but I also might let it sit and let comments allow me space to further hash out what I want to say)
I kind of view antifa and/or smug leftists as pulling the Streisand Effect for neo-nazis, the alt-right, and other right-wingers in the US. It's totally backfiring, imo. Like these protests of a 7 neo-nazis demo that'd otherwise no one would care or know about. It brings so much attention to those 7 neo-nazis and as they say "there's no such thing as bad press" that potentially helps them grow to 8 neo-nazis or maybe 10, and so on.To some extent I wondered how much of a part of smug liberals in the US had towards influencing people towards right-wing ideas. Like they used to scream and shame people as racist white nationalists for disagreeing with the former president. It was kinda funny, but got old
@shinmin - My wariness is on a few levels.I see antifa becoming what I can best describe as a "thing," by which I mean that it is both developing into a specialized class or identity, and is developing a sort of an ideology (even while not having an explicit ideology beyond being anti-fascist). The ideology is a semi-inconsistent sort of purity politics that manifests in no-platforming as a concrete methodology. While I am all for not giving fascists, racists, and the extreme right any space and attacking their beliefs and groups however one sees fit, I am wary of how this plays out once the idea that we can give absolutely no platform* to people who act, or hold belief in "bad" things who should be no platformed starts to look a lot different, and as someone who has friends that some of the most well known and accessible voices of antifa have done a lot of work to smear people and projects as being proto-fascists, or at least creating an entry point into anarchist circles for fascists. As this becomes more generalized, it starts to be applied to situations where in fact nuance and critical engagement are more helpful than throwing punches or shutting down events.My other main concern is anti-fascist anarchists (which ought to be a redundant statement) entering in to larger coalitions in the name of antifa which often include groups that are hostile to anarchists. On the one hand, I don't believe that anarchists should only act with other anarchists, at least not in every situation, but there is a way in which anarchist formations are being used as front line shock troops while leftists and liberals continue to do their politicking. To be clear, I don't think these anarchists are naive to this, at least not most (most I have engaged with are fully aware and are acting based on their beliefs and what they think is the best course of action, eyes wide open to the risks), but that these other parties have found ways to harness anarchist action to ultimately undermine anarchist intention and achieve political power or the ultimate reinforcing of state control.I also think some fascists and far right actors have figured out how to use the imagery of street fighting and violence to their own advantage, either as a recruitment tool to disaffected individuals looking to belong to something and have an enemy to fight, to leverage scary antifa to make them look like victims, and to gain some degree of legitimacy through increased media coverage. I can't gauge how effective this actually is (I suspect the recruitment more so than the other two, but this is where hearing from someone in say Alabama would be helpful, as I live in a pretty liberal/progressive corner of the world).
Taken together, and combined with my own opposition to fascism, it just leaves me both hoping that fascists get their asses kicked in any and every way possible, and unsure that that is what is actually happening. Complicated, wary. This is like a massive multiplayer game of chess, and often it seems like anarchists aren't really looking at the whole board.There are some other concerns that are bouncing around in my head, but I need to shape them more, maybe will post more later.
*As a funny aside, when I first heard the phrase "no-platforming" my mind went immediately to some sort of anti-platformist thing, and I was like, "doesn't sound too shabby."
"anti-fascist anarchists (which ought to be a redundant statement)"
indeed, as anarchist should be redundant with anti-patriarchy, anti-racist, etc.
to the point of providing a platform for such views, i personally would much rather know who holds those fucking fascist, racist, patriarchal, etc, views, than to let them hide in plain sight - especially through being silenced by folks i supposedly agree with. not saying to encourage them to hold rallies and shit; but i prefer the enemy i know to the one i don't.
"one of the good things about knowing where your enemies are is knowing where to send your -violent- opposition"
absolutely! i would expand that to include whatever response one chooses to have. from violent opposition/attack to conscious avoidance (and everything in between); context will always help determine what my response is.
i think there are probably times when "ignorance is bliss" makes sense. having people around that would choose to kill, injure or imprison me or those i care (which would of course include cops, etc as well as right/left wing wingnuts) about is definitely not one of those times.